Group Discussion: Is PageRank Important?

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In yesterday’s post, What Do We Really Know About PageRank, I presented you with the basic concepts of Google PageRank.  I then sat back as I always do and watched as the comments came in.  After all, the conversation under the posts often contains as much information as the material in the post.

Yet as I watched the comments, I noticed a trend.  Instead of people discussing the best principles for building their PageRank, many readers began minimizing the importance of PageRank.

Should We Dismiss PageRank?

I think it’s a strange that people keep revisiting the idea that we shouldn’t focus on PageRank but that we should only focus on our readers. The prominent concept of the conversation was that PageRank is nothing compared to the content that appeals to real users. I find it strange for several reasons.

  1. Why aren’t we appealing to both readers and search engines that bring us new readers? Why choose when it’s very simple to enjoy both? Why choose when the one almost always results in the other?
  2. PageRank is determined by inbound links. Inbound links reveal how much others are enjoying your content. Hence PageRank is a revelation of how much your actually appealing to real people. If your PageRank is low then you’re likely not accomplishing SEO or writing for real people.
  3. I also find most often that those who oppose working on PR are people with less than desirable websites. I’m not saying that this is the case here, but often those who can’t seem to accomplish the task of creating awesome content in a brilliant design often dismiss building inbound links as unimportant.

Why You Should Still Care About PageRank

If you follow this me or Site Sketch 101 for very long then you’ll very quickly discover that there are very few people online today that are as passionate about building our online presences through genuine connections, strong relationships, great designs and absolutely unquestionably amazing content.

Having said that, I still believe that PageRank has its place in our arsenal of tools that we use to develop our sites.

Although PageRank may not be the most powerful factor in determining our website’s success on the search engines, it still helps some and as such we should at least spend a few minutes to become familiar with it.

Many people believe that PageRank is completely unimportant and that people are misguided to judge the credibility of a website at all on PageRank.  Look at this comment that I received yesterday:

What do you think if we put below kind statement in out blog, “This blog has 0 pagerank but the knowledge that you will get is the best that you can get.” Will it give impact to our visitors/advertisers?

My response to that idea? I think that people will immediately click away.  A statement like that will destroy your credibility to anyone who understands PageRank.  Essentially you are telling people, “I know that nobody else links here.  I know that very few other people think the content here is worth viewing or linking, but I’m telling you that the content here is amazing and you’ll love it.”

How PageRank Helps Your Website

PageRank is important.  Not just because of the help that it provides in being listed on Google, but because of the impact that it has on our websites as we work on building PageRank.

The most effective way of building PageRank is to improve the quality of your website. Transform the content until it is amazing. Make the navigation clean and easy to use. Make the layout beautiful and fun to look at. Engage with your readers and build relationships with other bloggers.

These are the keys to building inbound links and these are the keys to building PageRank.  Would you tell me that these steps are bad for your online presence or that they would hurt you in some way? Focusing on those things would be the best thing that many webmasters could do.

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  1. December 24, 2009

    Eric B. said:

    Answer: Yes, it is important.

    The real question: Should it be important?

    That depends. For new blogs, PageRank shouldn’t be too important, because if it’s new, there won’t be that many links to it anyway. Worry about writing content and building relationships with people. PR is something you should worry about later.

    Once you’ve got your first readers that keep on returning, then you can start to worry about PR, to get new readers.

    Unfortunately, there are sites that try to increase their PR using some shady tactics, such as by pingback spamming blogs. This is why PR shouldn’t be considered too much, because of the ways these spam sites increase their PR.
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    • December 24, 2009

      Nicholas Cardot said:

      Eric B. –> My problem is that I don’t often think about those sites that try to abuse the system with those shady tactics. I’ve got this blind mindset when I consider subjects like this where I simply assume that we all want to do the right thing in order to get listed on Google and that none of us want to cheat the system. You are right about those that use shady tactics and I need to be mindful of it but we also need to remember that Google’s programmers are working hard to keep those that abuse the system out of their listings.


    • December 24, 2009

      Chad @ Tech201 said:

      I agree with Eric. PR is important, but it shouldn’t be, at least not in the beginning. And, the “beginning” lasts a long time.

      The focus needs to be on content creation and marketing (which includes link and community building).

      Once you have a decent following, are comfortable with your own voice, are confident about your blog, etc., then you can add PR to your efforts. In the early stages though, it’s just a rabbit hole you don’t want to go down.

      The results of your PR specific efforts might/will not be seen fast enough and you could/will come to the conclusion that this blogging thing isn’t for you.

      The same thing can be said about staring ad your Adsense page all day wondering why no one is clicking. :)
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  2. December 24, 2009

    Deepika said:

    I think pagerank is important for any blog… As newbie we wont reach higher page rank immediately.. All we need to write great content, good readers and promotion for the blog… And the main important thing is patience… We should give not give up until the target of the blog is reached…
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  3. December 24, 2009

    Keith @ Business3.0 said:

    Absolutely pagerank is important because it directly effects our rankings in SERP’s.

    A bigger problem I think with PR is people obsess over it too much. As you stated, it may not be the MOST important, but it is important and should be valued. But if we obsess as much over our content and interaction then the PR will come naturally.

    The reason I don’t think it is overly important is because there are sights with higher PR that get less traffic. Ultimately, for most, traffic out weighs PR.

    Also, the PR you and I see may not actually be “true” PR anyway, I believe Google adjusts PR much more than the 2-4 times a year we see our toolbars update the PR. I do believe that the PR we see is a good gauge as to how a site is doing, but can be off 1-2 points depending on many factors.

    Just my opinion…
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    • December 24, 2009

      Nicholas Cardot said:

      Keith @ Business3.0 –> That’s exactly the way that I believe that we should build and grow our PageRank. We should focus on content, interaction, design and providing an overall experience for users that is absolutely fantastic. If we do that then not only will the PageRank grow, but as I mentioned in the article, the value of the site will grow.


    • February 4, 2010

      Ron Leyba said:

      KEith, I somewhat disagree with the “PageRank affect site ranking on serps”.

      We see some high PR pages ranking very low or at the bottom of the low pr pages.

      Rankings on SERP’s specially on google is not anyway associated with PR of a site.

      Just my opinion.
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  4. December 24, 2009

    David Hobson said:

    I dont think its important unless you are intending to sell links. A website does not need it to rank highly in the serps
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    • December 24, 2009

      Keith @ Business3.0 said:

      I would have to disagree with you on that David. Unless you are competing for low level long tail keywords then I could see your point, same with “local” searches.

      If you want to compete with more competitive high volume search terms, then you better have a good strategy to SEO, which includes higher PR for your site. There is no way a PR0 or PR1 will rank on SERP’s against a high PR5+ for competitive terms.
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      • December 24, 2009

        David Hobson said:

        not necessarily, if your domain contains your keywords you can rank highly without pagerank. Ive had some good success with getting sites to rank highly without a high Pr.

        As long as your SEO and link building are done the right way you can have a lot of success.
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        • December 24, 2009

          Keith @ Business3.0 said:

          David.
          I agree that you can rank faster if you have keywords in your domain, but it doesn’t matter if you are going after a competitive term like “fence” or “real estate” or “politics”. That was my point. If you are after less volume, longer string keywords like “vinyl fence products” or “Raleigh NC Real Estate” or “left wing progressive politics” then I see your point and agree.

          One of my sites, that is the case, I want very targeted traffic that converts into sales (fence products) and it is easier to rank for these terms in less time. Another site (new) is about blogging, wordpress, business, etc… and will be harder to get organic traffic because it is a much more competitive field.

          Of course, I am not an expert on this, I am just speaking from my own experiences and research.

          Great comments again Nick!!! Good topic of discussion…
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        • December 24, 2009

          Nicholas Cardot said:

          David Hobson –> That’s not necessarily true. There are people who are actively working on spamming search engines by purchasing high value keywords in their domains and developing worthless sites. Sometimes they get a little bit of traffic for a while, but as soon as Google discovers them they usually get banned from the index. Don’t mistake me. The keyword in the domain can be a good thing. But all by itself, that isn’t going to get you to the top of the listings on a strong search term.


      • December 24, 2009

        Nicholas Cardot said:

        Keith @ Business3.0 –> I think that you’re probably right on this. I would have to see a specific example of a low PageRank site beating out a highly ranked site on a dominant keywork in order to be convinced that you’re mistaken. And even if I see it, I would probably still assume that it’s simply the exception to the rule and that it’s still incredibly difficult to do.


    • December 24, 2009

      Nicholas Cardot said:

      David Hobson –> Google actually frowns on selling PR links. In fact, if Google catches a site paying for PageRank links back to their websites then Google will actually ban the site from their listings. I understand that it does take place all the time, but Google is not in favor of this.


    • February 4, 2010

      Ron Leyba said:

      David, if you are selling site links for SEO Purposes, then PR is important.

      If you are selling site links for traffic and sales purposes for the advertiser, then traffic and ranking high in serp is important.

      AS always, this will be a case to cases basis.
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  5. December 24, 2009

    Teen Blogger said:

    I think pagerank is still importent. I actually think it’s fun seeing what pagerank other websites have. It’s a sort of indictation about how well their doing. Although pagerank isn;t the most importent thing, it’s still a good and interesting feature.

    If you look on google and search for a phrase, you notice that all the websites on the 1st page always have higher then pagerank 1 and are established websites that have been online for a long time.
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  6. December 24, 2009

    Glen said:

    First of all, I want to wish you and the others commenting on your site a very Merry Christmas..

    I don’t know enough about page rank to make a real comment on its value.

    I have a relatively new, non monetary personal site.
    At the moment I am focused on making my site appealing and getting more content on the site.

    Shortly I want to work on attracting more readers.

    Based on the discussion on this post and the previous one I know believe that even personal sites like mine can benefit from page rank.

    I have learned a great deal reading your site and the comments of the others participating in discussions here.

    Thanks to all of you for your help..
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    • December 25, 2009

      Nicholas Cardot said:

      Glen –> Even with a personal site you still have the goal of developing the best possible content and attracting as many readers as possible, right? Whether you’re trying to make money or not, it’s still important to develop the PageRank on our websites.


  7. December 24, 2009

    Chad @ Tech201 said:

    I just wonder if we’re putting the cart before the horse here. Are we talking about the importance of PageRank and focusing on how to improve it?

    Or are we saying that if you have great content, incoming links, solid SEO, etc., your site is still not complete without a decent PR?

    Consider those hypothetical and tell me this:
    If we focus on great content, marketing, community, SEO, the whole nine, isn’t THAT what’s important.. And as a result, isn’t a good PageRank going to follow on its own (in turn making IT important)?
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    • February 4, 2010

      Ron Leyba said:

      One of the best comment on this post. It just a matter of checking the hierarchy or checking whats matter most for your site and your self.

      What Chad says is quite right. PR will follow along if you got or you do the first priority in the right way.
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  8. December 25, 2009

    Lee Ka Hoong said:

    It depends on what people want, people who doesn’t blogging for money, they don’t even care about what pagerank does their blog has; while for people who is blogging for money, pagerank is important as it’s one of the element that advertiser will take into their consideration.

    When it comes to search engine ranking, pagerank does help too.

    How important is pagerank? It definitely depends on how you think and what you want.

    Merry Christmas Nicholas!

    Cheers,
    Lee


    • December 25, 2009

      Glen said:

      I think if your goal on a personal blog is to attract a large audience then page rank will become important even if you aren’t trying to make money from it.

      Also, blogs evolve over time , so when personal blogs begin to attract large audiences (Dooce comes to mind) the focus often changes to making money off the site..
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  9. December 25, 2009

    Davor Gasparevic @ Cheap internet marketing ebooks blog said:

    Hmmm, I usually don’t create such an amazing content, nor my blog is all clean and perfect, especially because I use free blog service.

    I still don’t think page rank is as important as links themselves.

    Especially anchor text links! You can have PR0 or PR1, but if you rank high for 3-4 phrases with moderate monthly search volumes you can have many visitors from search engines.

    That is what I am trying to do and I see progress and improvement over time, especially when I look back when I first started…
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  10. December 26, 2009

    scheng1 said:

    Pagerank is Google’s creation, so Google will never disown page rank.
    Page rank is different from SERP.
    I am more concerned with page rank of each blog post than page rank of entire blog.
    Page rank of each blog post affects SERP, while page rank of home page is not that important.


  11. December 27, 2009

    chandan said:

    Like to read this nice article on pagerank. I like the concept of google page rank. well it is easy to get PR, but it is not so easy to get SERP rank on google for high competitive keyword. it is what that other can care to our blog if we have good PR. we can drive some more traffic for comment if we have good PR, also when we say about monetizing our blog PR greatly influenced on it.
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  12. December 28, 2009

    Dana @ Blogging Update said:

    Sure, PR is still important for blog. For me, PR tell about our blog credibility in front of Google eye, and also others bloggers/site.

    So, yes — i still count it for my blog.
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    • December 28, 2009

      Nicholas Cardot said:

      It really does impact our credibility both to Google and to those around us. It’s a great way to let the world know that we’ve taken the time to impress the online community enough to link to our material.


  13. February 1, 2010

    Saad said:

    Talking of back links, I have a technical question here. Let’s say that I want to rank high for keyword phrases “how to make online money” and “make online money”. If I want to do on page optimization, using the phrase “how to make online money” will mean that eventually I am also optimizing for “make online money”. So does same happen in back links. What I mean to ask is that if I use an anchor text “how to make online money” will this mean that I do not have to use anchor text of “make online money” as the prior anchor text will do the trick for me? Or the google assumes the entire anchor text as one unit and I will have to strive for the other keyword as well?
    I hope you understand me. I’ll be waiting for the answer.
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    • February 4, 2010

      Ron Leyba said:

      SAAD they will be treated as different keywords.

      What I can suggest is use both of them in terms of link building.

      For example, if you have 100 links to gather. Then the first half (50links) will be “how to make online money” and the other half will be “make online money”.

      In this way, you can be assured that you are targeting both keywords as well.

      Same thing with on page optimization, use both words and sprinkle it on your page.
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  14. March 22, 2010

    Littleaton said:

    I agree that they are all important.
    And we should work on it.

    Thanks for the great post once again.
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  15. March 22, 2010

    LittleXpert said:

    Great info, pagerank is very important from what ive seen on my sites, and researched everywhere else.

    thanks
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  16. April 6, 2010

    Chris Guthrie said:

    Page Rank is only important if you care about selling links (which I don’t do) beyond that yes it is an indicator as to the health of your blog in terms of the amount of links you have but that’s about it.
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  17. August 23, 2010

    Barry @TestingHormones said:

    Page rank is important. But not the end all to getting on page one of google. Do a search for your top keyword(s) – mine is “hormone tests” and look at the page rank of each page on page 1. You will find that they vary! This is because google takes other factors into consideration such as how long users stay on your site, links to your site, and content of our site. They also take others factors such as page load time, etc. Take a look at my website and you will find that we did our best to make it interactive, load fast, and allow easy social bookmarking. If you need any tips just post a comment with “@hormonetesting” and I will get back to you…
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