Bad Manners Can Cost You Opportunities

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For the last six months, I’ve been writing a blog about project leadership, ownership, and becoming great. Papercut Edge has been an incredible thrill ride of ups and downs. While my background is in project and portfolio management, to blog effectively I’ve had to learn an awful lot about new things like SEO, site structure, design and other things I had no clue about when I began. Ultimately, my quest for that knowledge led me to Nick here at Site Sketch 101.

I was speaking with Nick just the other day and we were talking about nofollow policies. In blogging land (I’m learning) this is where you set a policy of passing Google PageRank through a link to an external site, and sharing some of your hard-won rank with the people you’re linking to. There’s positives and negatives with this approach.

Personally, I’m of the mind, if someone leaves fabulous comments, and obviously takes the time to interact and help my community grow, they deserve any meagre bonuses I can send their way. I have a clear policy about comments, and I’m not shy about telling people if I don’t believe their comments add any value or are obviously self-serving, they won’t make it through to any of my blog posts. So if a comment meets my criteria, I believe in giving the author whatever reciprocity I have to give.

But that’s me. Every blogger has their own style and criteria for how they want to handle comments, and they’re all equally valid.

The problem of course, comes when we open our blogs to the world and the comments start coming in. People respond to our policies and styles in ways we never expected. Sometimes those responses really cause us to raise an eyebrow.

“I Can Haz PageRank Nao?”

Community-building is a fine line. On the one hand we want to build our communities. We want many people to benefit directly from our efforts. But we’re also more selfishly motivated–for our efforts we want traffic and numbers and hopefully, in some fashion, reward. That works on both sides of the post page. As a blogger I want recognition and reward for my work on my site, and as a commenter on other people’s blogs I want recognition and reward for the time I spent thinking and writing the comment.

The effort, of course, is mine. As is the initiative. While I work very hard to set up models where I can get the recognition I seek, I also understand that others participating in my space want recognition too. So I give it where I believe it’s appropriate, and ask for and take where I think it’s right, too. The more this happens with the same people, the more I develop relationships with them. It’s those relationships that pave the way for new, exciting things. Comments lead to Skype calls. Skype calls lead to sneak previews. Sneak previews lead to revenue. It’s a slow process, but an incredibly rewarding one.

It all starts with the comments. So good manners in comments are incredibly important.

Asking for special dispensation regarding Page Rank? Bad manners. Asking for special policy breaks? Bad manners. Asking for pretty much anything for free before we know one another? Pretty bad manners.

There are consequences to our actions. If I behave poorly when I reach out into the community, I need to be prepared to be shut out in the cold. I need to be prepared to sacrifice all the good that could come from the beginning of a relationship, for the sake of one quick grab. And so do you.

Is it worth it?

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  1. June 18, 2010

    Nabeel | Create Your First Website said:

    Yup I agree.

    Commentators should make every effort to add value to the post.

    It is not hard, but sometimes the article/post leaves no room for comments. Well this is just my opinion.


    • June 18, 2010

      Geoff Crane said:

      Heya Nabeel! It’s a good point: “sometimes the article/post leaves no room for comments”. It’s true! Sometimes it doesn’t, and that’s totally okay!


  2. June 18, 2010

    John Paul Aguiar said:

    Nice tips.. I think comments should be where you continue the learning from what your post was about. I have read some posts, and actually learned just as much in the comments.

    Also comment sis the best place to put a face to your post, interacting to your readers, shows you are their and appreciate them for taking time to comment.
    My Latest Blog Post: Four Things Dale Carnegie Can Teach You To Become A Top Affiliate


    • June 18, 2010

      Geoff Crane said:

      It’s very true, John Paul! Even as authors, when we write our articles, we’re essentially writing them in a vacuum. It’s not until they’re out in the wild and available for comments that we start to see different sides of that which we just finished writing about.

      It’s a wonderful medium for learning, really!


  3. June 18, 2010

    Nicholas Cardot said:

    Great post, Geoff. I believe that we often lose focus of the fact that comments sections are designed to encourage conversation, not to manipulate search listings. Most people outside of the ‘blogging niche’ don’t care about links. They care about talking with others who are passionate about the topics that they are passionate about.

    Why aren’t we jumping into comments with that same mentality? I want to talk and carry on real conversations.


    • June 18, 2010

      Geoff Crane said:

      It was a genuine thrill to be able to write here, today. Thank you so much, Nick!

      And it’s a very good point you make. Those of us writing often forget we’re not always dealing with other site owners on the other side of the post page. Many of our commenters just want good discussion!


  4. June 18, 2010

    Andrew @ Blogging Guide said:

    As blog owners, we like getting comments, don’t we? But only if they add something to the party!

    By adding something of value, I’ve built up many on-line relationships via commenting.

    I seem to warm to the person more, when they add something insightful. It makes me want to go over to their site and see it.

    Am I alone, in doing this?

    Andrew
    My Latest Blog Post: WordPress 3.0: Do NOT Upgrade


  5. June 18, 2010

    Dennis Edell | Direct Sales Marketing said:

    I’ve always said, when done correctly comments easily add just as much if not more knowledge then the post itself.

    I too have garnered many web relationships merely from commenting.
    My Latest Blog Post: Comment Replies – Do You Even Notice?


  6. June 18, 2010

    Jorgen @ Personal Branding said:

    Hi Geoff, definitely agree with you that it’s all about giver’s gain in the bloggosphere. You don’t ask someone for a favor when they don’t even know you! I get lots of emails every week asking for link exchanges, they get deleted PDQ.
    My Latest Blog Post: Social Media for Business Success Workshop 7th of July


    • June 18, 2010

      Geoff Crane said:

      I know, right, Jorgen?! When I get such requests, I usually have this brief moment where I shake my head at my monitor and go, “er…what?” That’s usually followed right away with a “whatever” as I click the “to Trash” button.


  7. June 18, 2010

    Ed said:

    Thanks Geoff for the nice article…Comments and the discussion after the post can really add so much! Sometimes even more than the post itself…The more knowledge the better…Look around the web…facebook, twitter, nytimes, everywhere…everyone is saying something!


  8. June 18, 2010

    Martin said:

    You couldn’t have said it any better. Your article is as brutally frank as it can be.


  9. June 18, 2010

    Phyllis Zimbler Miller said:

    Geoff –

    It’s important to practice good manners throughout social media — not only in adding comments to blogging.

    For example, if someone retweets you on Twitter, it’s polite to tweet a thanks to the person. And it’s important to include the original info in the thank-you tweet so that someone seeing only this tweet won’t feel frustrated by not knowing what the thank you refers to.

    The true power of social media is the ability to help others at the same time that we are helping ourselves.

    Phyllis Zimbler Miller
    http://twitter.com/ZimblerMiller
    My Latest Blog Post: Walking the Talk: Using YouTube to Demonstrate Social Media Marketing


    • June 18, 2010

      Geoff Crane said:

      Heya Phyllis! Thanks so much for the comment! You are absolutely right that good manners is important all over social media.

      I am also appropriately chided by the fact that my thank you tweets tend to be a little, um, exuberant and omit the original Tweet *blush*. (It’s tough to go WOOOOOOOOOOOT and say thanks and include an RT, but perhaps I could be stingier with the ‘O’s)

      Excellent thought! *big cheer*


  10. June 18, 2010

    Murlu said:

    I think, as a commentor, we have a larger duty of extending the post.

    I always try to add a comment that not only explores deeper into the subject but I like to ask questions or share my own knowledge about the subject.

    I believe that it helps others jump into the comments as well. If they see others already talking, they’ll be more likely to add their own thoughts.

    Soon you can turn a post into a huge resource of knowledge!
    My Latest Blog Post: How To Over-Deliver With Every Blog Post


  11. June 19, 2010

    Nicole said:

    There are always two side to every story. Blogs and Blog comments are a story. The author of the blog is telling his/her story and commentators are keeping that story alive and well – bringing out new points of view.

    It is this give and take of knowledge and opinions that helps all of us to grow. We all have our strengths and weaknesses and we are ALL stronger as a community than as a loner..even if we use the WWW (World Wide Web) as our medium.
    My Latest Blog Post: Build a Savings Fund in 5 Steps


  12. June 19, 2010

    Onibalusi Bamidele said:

    Really great post!

    Success becomes easy when you build relationships, bad manners may not help you build relationships (which means, it can affect your success)